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Why We Didn’t Vax(no mention of autism,I swear)

February 27, 2010

In the interest of any credibility I might have, or wish to ever have,  and the fact that this is a very touchy topic, I will keep this as concrete as possible.  You will find no mention of autism here.  Not because I do or don’t believe vaccines are or aren’t a cause, but because frankly autism did not factor into our decision.

This is probably the first post I use ‘we’ in a lot.  My husband, of course,  had a hand in the vaccine decision.  He let me decide on the home birth issue because it’s MY body, but Ian is OUR son.

In 1995, I started working for the US Army in Japan on base at a combination kennel/quarantine facility/vet clinic.  At that time, the Major I worked for went to the U.S. for a AVMA(American Veterinary Medical Association) seminar.  There were 2 major decisions announced at that seminar.  1 was that the preservative ethoxyquin was officially recognized as a carcinogen.  The second was that due to an alarming number of tumors, malignant and benign, appearing in dogs and cats, the protocol for where vaccines were administered was changed.  Shots used to be given in the scruf of the neck.  They decided to change it to administering them intra-muscularly, Rabies in the Right leg, and combo shots in the left(easy enough, “R”abies, “R”ight).   The reasoning behind this was so that if the appearing tumors were malignant, the leg could be amputated quite easily, and any cancers would be gone with it if they appeared to be spreading.  It’s not as easy to amputate a neck.  That was the solution.  That was the very beginning of my leery feelings toward vaccines.

I didn’t know a single thing about humans and vaccines, and we had never intended on having a child(oops).  As I do with EVERY decision I make in my life anymore, I research it from the beginning to the end.  My husband loves and loathes this at the same time.   When we learned we were pregnant, I joined about 100 groups and lists(gee, I remember when I had time to deal with all that e-mail…) for everything baby.  I joined several vaccines groups, and bought several vaccine books.

There are a few family history facts I need to mention because they played a role in our decision.  Jon’s paternal grandmother and his father had both been diagnosed with parkinsons, and his mother with rheumatoid arthritis.  These are both auto-immune disorders(so are eczema, psoriasis, asthma, allergies, type 1 diabetes and a host of other things that pop up in children rampantly now with “no known cause”).   I learned enough about immunity as a vet assistant to know how vaccines ‘worked’, and what they did to the immune system.  Stimulating it on purpose with a chemical additive designed to ‘agitate’ the immune system, repeatedly, did not sound like a good idea for an immune system that could already be pre-disposed to disorders.  Turned out my thoughts were correct.  There are many studies confirming vaccines cause auto-immune disorders, here is the most recent:  http://bit.ly/6t2vZ9

There has been a study published comparing vaccinated and non-vaccinated children.  It was done in the Netherlands in 2004.  Here http://bit.ly/cwcwev is the link. I apologize that it is from Age Of Autism, but the original location of the charts and info is on a site that is in dutch!! Not useful for me… Here’s a description of the study, with the lengthier site at the bottom:

The survey:
The NVKP survey was conducted in the Netherlands
in the latter half of 2004 with the parents of
635 children, and involved both members and
non-members of the NVKP. The survey was
geographically distributed over the entire
country, and the postal codes of the respondents are
known. We asked the parents to fill in a
questionnaire with questions about the health of their
child or children. All parents were subsequently
approached for supplementary information and
were asked to answer control questions. The
personal details of all the participating parents and
children are known. Questionnaires that were not
filled out properly or questionnaires from
parents who did not react to our request for
supplementary information and/or control questions
were not included in the results.

Questionnaires from the parents of children that
were not vaccinated in the normal way ­ that is,
not entirely in accordance with Dutch Vaccination
Programme (RVP) ­ and questionnaires from
the parents of children that were not entirely
unvaccinated were also excluded from this survey.
Roosendaal, 1 December 2004
see website for charts
http://www.ageofaut ism.com/files/ denmark_vacc_ vs_unvacc_ results_survey. pdf

We read about mercury, and how it was replaced with aluminum, also a toxic metal.  Here is the most recent study I could find addressing the total amount of aluminum a baby would be exposed to in just the first 6 months of aluminum-containing vaccines: http://www.nature.com/jes/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/jes200964a.pdf  It is far above the safe point set by the EPA.  Here is a quote from Dr. Robert Sears book on vaccines:

“”A 12-pound, two-month-old baby could safely receive at least 30 mcg of aluminum per day. A 22-pound one-year-old could receive at least 50 mcg safely…..
……..a newborn who gets a Hepatitis B injection on day one of life would receive 250 mcg of aluminum. This would be repeated at one month with the next Hep B shot. When, at two months, a baby gets its first big round of shots, the total dose of aluminum could vary from 295 mcg (if a non-aluminum HIB and the lowest-aluminum brand of DTaP are used) to a whopping 1,225 mcg (if the Hep B vaccine is given along with the brands with the highest aluminum contents). If the Pentacel combo vaccine is given along with the Hep B and Pneumococcus vaccines, the total aluminum dose could be as high as 1,875 mcg. These doses are repeated at four and six months. With most subsequent rounds of shots, a child would continue to get some aluminum throughout the first two years.
But the FDA recommends that premature babies, and anyone with impaired kidney function, receive no more than 10 to 25 mcg of injected aluminum at any one time.
As a medical doctor, my first instinct was to worry that these aluminum levels far exceed what may be safe for babies. My second instinct was to assume that the issue had been properly researched, and that studies had been done on healthy infants to determine their ability to rapidly excrete aluminum. My third instinct was to search for these studies. So far, I have found none…….I can find no references in FDA documents that show that using aluminum in vaccines has been tested and found to be safe.
………The toxic threshold of aluminum in the bloodstream may be lower than 100 mcg per liter. The buildup of aluminum in tissues has been seen even in patients with healthy kidneys who receive IV solutions containing aluminum over extended periods.””

“”We need to know the answers to many questions: Why does one brand of HIB vaccine require aluminum to make it work while another brand does not? Why does one brand of DTaP vaccine contain four times as much aluminum as another? Why does one brand of combination vaccine contain three times as much aluminum as the sum of its parts?””

Thimerasol has not been entirely removed from vaccines either.  It is now in ‘trace’ amounts. So TRACES?? What does that mean?…Why am I typing blue? Maybe the kid on my lap… Anyway, how much is that to a baby? Well 1-3 mcg per shot. But if you give five shots and three contain traces that’s 3-9 mcg in one injection. How does that factor when you only weight 10 pounds? Or worse 6 pounds. The EPA daily safe UPPER limit for mercury is 0.1 mcg per kg of body weight. Heres the math, it isn’t pretty. A 7 pound baby is 3.2 kgs and would recieve 3-9 mcg of mercury. That means .32 mcg is the EPA limit for that day…NOT 3-9mcg. I kept asking…how much is a trace?? I finally have my answer on this. Trace mercury is 2,000 ppb (parts per billion). The EPA limit for drinking water is 2 ppb. Twenty ppb cause neurite membrane structure destruction, .05 ppb kill human neurblastoma cells (nerve cell death). Anyone see a problem here? 2000 ppb can certainly damage something. Current vaccines are still exposing our babies to dangerous levels of mercury. The swine flu vaccine contains no less than 25,000 per cent the amount of mercury considered safe. Combination vaccines(often deemed as ‘safer’) are given as one injection but contain three or more antigen vaccines. This is a delusion, as addressed in Dr. Sears quote above. You think your receiving one vaccine, but your getting the metals of multiple vaccines and toxic chemicals. It adds up, these are cumulative poisons. Today’s vaccines contain less mercury but a whole lot of aluminum.  Here’s a an interesting site discussing how aluminum has been ‘exempt’ from safety testing by the government(though we know it’s linked to alzheimers: http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/hydro/al.htm So I guess no one knows the ‘safe’ level of aluminum…

In case you have doubts or need something more concrete, here is a site that lists all vaccines package inserts so you can read for yourself: http://www.vaclib.org/chapter/inserts.htm

Kiddo left and I’m still typing blue, don’t know how to fix it…  Jon was still on the fence for a while, until we met with our midwife for the first time.  We brought up the topic of vaccines, and she shared her personal experiences.  She has 8 kids, and got shots for the first one, a son.  By age 2 he was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis.  She didn’t give the other 7 kids a single vaccine, and now she has to live forever with the guilt that the vaccine caused him a lifetime of suffering.  Here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1005209/?page=2 is a government report confirming her fear.  Yes, the rubella vaccine does cause rheumatoid arthritis, you heard it from the government, and can read about it on Pub Med.  That story was the turning point in the argument for me and Jon.  He, however, had one more hang-up.  He felt that the polio vaccine was very important.  Our midwife had an answer for that too.  The last polio outbreak in the US happened a few miles from her house, in Canton, Ohio at a day care facility.  This was back when oral polio was still given, and the staff had been less than hygenic while changing diapers.  All the adults at the facility came down with polio.  This proves 2 things.  One, vaccines SHED and can sicken others.  2, the adult’s  polio vaccines apparently didn’t work.  I, of course, cannot find a single thing on the web about that outbreak…

Like I said, Jon felt that polio might(Why am I no longer typing blue?  Who the hell knows…) be a crucial vaccine.  After what we surmised about polio, we looked into stats on other childhood diseases and their death rates.  When Jon’s parent’s moved, we found his oder brother’s baby book.  There is an entry in it from when he had mumps.  Mumps is supposed to cause deafness and sterility.  Jon’s brother is now a principal with 3 kids.  He is neither deaf, and apparently not sterile either.  In fact, after talking to many older relatives we found that they had all had mumps.  And measles.  And whooping cough.  And chicken pox(Jon and I had this<I had it twice>, so did most of you reading this I would bet).  There is an entry in Jon’s family’s compiled family history from his grandfather of the summer that “all us kids had whooping cough, and spent half the summer doing nothing but lying under a tree”.  Jon’s grandfather would have been 94 this year.  He passed away a little over a year ago, and it wasn’t from ANYTHING that can be vaccinated for.   He had his inflamed, almost ruptured appendix removed on his own kitchen table when he was 10.  It burst just after they removed it.  Apparently the lack of ‘medical innovation’ in his life, from birth(at home of course) to death(in a hospital of course) didn’t affect him in the least.  If anything, it may have made him stronger, I mean, he’s the only person I know who lived to that age?!  My grandmother is 86, and she had zero vaccines as well.  Go grandma!!

Another thing that STUNNED us while we were researching is the 260% increase in the amount of vaccines given since we were kids.  This PDF file compares the years 1983 and 2008 (I apologize again for the mentioning of autism on the site, but it’s the only place I can find a side-by-side comparison without having to type it all up myself, ugghh….).   The difference is staggering.  Most of the diseases in the right-hand column have about 20 different strains, while only 4 or 5 are in the vaccine(Gardasil, for one).  Some of them are just plain IGNORANT.  The CDC its self claims that prior to the introduction of the chicken pox vaccine there were 100-150 deaths per year from chicken pox: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/varicella/dis-faqs-gen.htm Holy cow, call out the troops. PLEASE!  This pointless vaccine is causing more serious outbreaks of shingles in older folks: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15960856 .  Not only is it causing that attrocity, it is also ‘wearing off’ once these vaccinated kids reach adulthood, and they are catching pox from THEIR VACCINATED children.  This happened to our neighbor’s son.  He was 24, received the pox vaccine when he was a kid.   He had a son, and when his son was given the varicella vaccine at 1 year of age, he got the pox and had to take weeks off work.  Having chicken pox as an adult is incredibly debilitating:  http://www.cogforlife.org/chickenpox.htm

There are other factors to consider about the pox vaccine, this page sums up quite a few: http://www.cogforlife.org/chickenpox.htm

BUT WAIT!  There’s a vaccine for shingles now!  Lets read what the FDA has to say about it:  “At the conclusion of the studies, researchers found that overall (in persons age 60 years and older) the vaccine reduced the occurrence of herpes zoster (shingles) by about 50%. The vaccine effect was highest at 64% in people between the ages 60-69, but its effectiveness declined with increasing age; to 41% for the 70-79 age group, and 18% for those 80 years of age and older.
In those who were vaccinated with Zostavax, but still developed shingles, the duration of pain was a bit shorter for them versus those who received a placebo. Specifically, the pain of those in the Zostavax group lasted on average for 20 days and for those who received placebo, it lasted for about 22 days. The severity of the pain did not appear to differ among the two groups.” So, essentially, you get a vaccine for a 50% or less(10% less every 10 years, in fact) chance that it moght cause your shilgnes pain to be slightly lessened, and it might be only 20 days instead of 22.  Well, sign me up…  GIMME A BREAK…  Ugh…  They made a crappy “vaccine” to counteract a problem that they cause with another crappy, pointless vaccine!  It just gives me a headache…  One useless vaccine that causes much worse problems than it prevents.  And that’s just 1…  I won’t get into vaccine recalls, or the fact that the Rubella vaccine was originally given to pregnant women to prevent german measels from killing infants, and then some brilliant wonder decided to start giving it to men too.  Just like gardasil…  Though it “prevents cervical cancer”, they now want FDA approval for boys too.  That would be one ABSOLUTELY effective vaccine, as I don’t know a single man who has ever contracted cervical cancer.  There are some similar dumb stories in the history of vaccines, those are just a few of the more interesting ones.

Even the non-vaccine vaccines given to children are insanely dangerous.  The ‘vitamin k shot’ is a true insanity(wash the vernix off the baby, which contains high amounts of vitamin k, then inject synthetic vitamin k into them, good.  Real good.)  AND it’s dangerous!  From:  http://www.drbenkim.com/vitamin-K-shot-baby.html

“The downside of this practice however is a possibly 80% increased risk of developing childhood leukemia. While a few studies have refuted this suggestion, several tightly controlled studies have shown this correlation to be most likely.(4,5) The most current analysis of six different studies suggests it is a 10 or 20% increased risk. This is still a significant number of avoidable cancers.(6)
Apparently the cell division that continues to be quite rapid after birth continues to depend on precise amounts of vitamin K to proceed at the proper rate. Introduction of levels that are 20,000 times the newborn level, the amount usually injected, can have devastating consequences.

The downside of this practice however is a possibly 80% increased risk of developing childhood leukemia. While a few studies have refuted this suggestion, several tightly controlled studies have shown this correlation to be most likely.(4,5) The most current analysis of six different studies suggests it is a 10 or 20% increased risk. This is still a significant number of avoidable cancers.(6)
Apparently the cell division that continues to be quite rapid after birth continues to depend on precise amounts of vitamin K to proceed at the proper rate. Introduction of levels that are 20,000 times the newborn level, the amount usually injected, can have devastating consequences.”

Rhogam?  Also bad.  One of it’s ingredients, polysorbate 80, causes infertility: http://infertility.suite101.com/article.cfm/polysorbate_80_causes_infertility Not only that, but if you google it on the ‘net, you’ll find hundreds of women who were RH+ who gave birth without it, and had no issues.  It would make sense, because if it were as bad as the doctors would make it seem, our species would have been affected by the number of RH- babies and + mothers.  They would have all died!!!  Funny, how many years ago was it now we even LEARNED about RH factors in the blood?  Just another money maker…  Don’t believe it?  Read this: http://community.babycenter.com/post/a10412935/update_on_rhogam_fiasco…argh. And if you look around, you can find similar stories of mothers being monetarily RAPED for something that is potentially dangerous, and quite pointless.   It is my opinion that ALL vaccines are mere money makers.  The more I read about them, the more I believe I’m right.

THEN we learned about the NVIC, or National Vaccine Information Center.  This is a government agency whose job it is to determine if a vaccine-damaged person deserves monetary compensation or not for their suffering.   Since we lost our ability to sue the vaccine industry thanks to some certain individuals, this is supposed to be the determing factor now for reports of side effects, and the ‘court of law’ for determing vaccine company guilt or innocence.  $2 of EVERY vaccine sold goes into a fund for the NVIC payouts.  I could go on and on about the NVIC, but I’ll spare you.  Suffice it to say, it’s like asking a candy maker whether or not sugar contributes to cavities.  It’s his JOB to ensure you keep buying his candy, because he has a monetary stake in it.  Being honest would harm his bottom line.  Only a fool would endanger their own income.

I’ll stop bitching now 😀

I have sites and sites and loads and loads and lists and lists of vaccine info.  If there’s any specific question that anyone might have, I probably have the answer buried somewhere in my e-mail folders.  The book I recommend is “The Vaccine Safety Manual” by Neil Z. Miller.  It has EVERY vaccine, it’s history, efficacy, side effects, etc.  It’s all in there.

Once I found out that there is no vaccine mandate for  getting kids into school(before we decided that there’s no way in hell Ian will ever attend school), that set our mind in concrete.  You can find laws for your individual state, most require only a written waiver for a non-vaccinated child to attend school.

Well, that’s pretty much our story.  It started a long time ago, and it ended for sure the very second we laid eyes on Ian.  Nothing so precious will ever be touched by someone as irresponsible as a common doctor…


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7 Comments leave one →
  1. February 28, 2010 8:25 am

    Great great post a usual. I wish I could say that I think any if this would change dh’s opinion. I was unvaccinated, he was vac. Our daughter receieved vax’s for the first 9mo
    when I could no lo get stand the washed out or bright blue
    colors she would get, the insane fever and pain. And of course he was fine with that b/c “doctors know more than us.” and “we’re not medical professionals.” he thinks anti vax people re conspiracy/theorists at heart and no amount of reasonable evidence is good enough.
    And don’t get me started on the fact that I think my daughter Should have the right to chose if she wants these things in her body or mention the physical pain that it brings to very little babies.
    It is an ongoing fight but I have determined she will be non-vax and that’s that. I brought up the issue of host cells with my pediatrician (human fetal cells etc) and she had no idea what I was talking about.

  2. February 28, 2010 8:47 am

    I feel for you. If it was going to be a fight between Jon and I, I was prepared to fight to the death. Fortunately for me(and him) a little reading was enough to really open his eyes, and it lead to more reading, which lead to our decision. A few looks at some package inserts were a help too, as NO one should be injected with aborted fetuses. Where are the psycho-far-right-christians to bring this into the light??

    • March 4, 2010 11:46 am

      I’ve always wondered that myself re. the conservative right. Just last night on TV someone was yakking about how it was unconstitutional for them to have to pay any money towards women’s reproductive rights because that included abortions, and yet.

  3. Jason permalink
    February 28, 2010 2:45 pm

    Yes, great blog post, again! I love the way you explain your thinking as you arrive at your conclusions and do your research. It’s very helpful. I’m sure you came across Dr. Tenpenny during your research, what do you think about her and her DVDs/books?

  4. February 28, 2010 2:57 pm

    I was actually thrilled beyond belief that someone so brilliant is so CLOSE to me! She lives/practices in Cleveland, or at least she did when I first found out about her. Honestly, I don’t know that I can name a single particular thing she’s said, or tell you her website, but anyone who goes out and tries to do right and speak up about vaccine hazards is a superstar by me.

  5. Melissa permalink
    April 23, 2010 5:05 pm

    Interesting, and informative blog post. Thank you!! I also don’t believe in vaccinations, I DON’T want my children to be vaccinated, and I believe that they can do more harm than good. This is an ongoing fight with my husband, and we haven’t had kids yet! He will ONLY believe top researchers in their field who have published their research in top peer-reviewed journals! He thinks I am irrational and almost a conspiracy theorist that listens to anyone who shouts about theses things, and that I believe anyone who gathers some info that’s correlated to make a link about vaccines and all sorts of bad thing. He says that with the info he has, vaccinations prevent far worse things and that the potential risk of side affects that he believed are a smaller risk, and that at the moment there is only correlation, not conclusive causation and evidence or proof. He has found some things published in journals that say there is NO evidence or link between vaccinations and autism (especially the thimerosal issue that I was very worried about.)
    He is a mathematical economist doing his PhD at Caltech and will believe peer-reviewed journals with conclusive research on the subject. I desperately want to get hold of some of this if possible, as I would love to at least have him consider not vaccinating our children!
    Do you have any more links to good journals with good research on the subject that support what you are saying? I would really, really, really appreciate them! Really! 🙂 Thanks so much!

    • April 23, 2010 8:39 pm

      Hi! Thanks for reading!

      Honestly, the best thing I can recommend is for you to join this list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Vaccinations/ That is where I get 90% of my info. I actually stopped reading it a few months ago, because it takes up A LOT of time, and I decided that time would be better spent with my kiddo now that our decision on vaccines have been made. Since you don’t have kiddos yet, you’d have time to read it all 🙂 Honestly, some of the things on there do seem a little >OUT THERE<, but inevitably, each thing I read that seemed impossible turns out to be true a few months later. The last thing I saw that I thought was NUTS on there was that Gardasil manufacturers wanted to start giving it to boys. Few months later–BAM. FDA is pondering approval.

      Along with that list, I'd tell you to google a vaccine that you want info on in particular, and google "X-vaccine package insert". Then you can read the actual package insert on any given vaccine. Even up to 2 or 3 years ago autism was actually listed on a few vaccine labels as a potential side effect. Even without the risk of autism(assuming there isn't one), there are some SERIOUSLY frightening potential side effects. The risks of dying from "vaccine preventable" diseases in this day and age are nil. But, if you look around on google and read the blogs of parents whose children have had severe vaccine reactions, it will break your heart. Chicken pox, rubella, blah blah blah… Talk to a parent who's had a child react violently to a particular shot, and you'll talk to a parent who regrets making the vaccine decision. All diseases vaccinated for are treatable. Vaccine reactions are not.

      You can share this with him: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/08/mumps.outbreak.northeast/index.html?iref=allsearch There was a mumps outbreak last year, and 77% were VACCINATED. Not only are vaccines potentially dangerous, but they are also NOT effective.

      You can also ask him to talk to his grandparents and parents about how many vaccines they got as opposed to how many are given now. That alone would have to make ANYONE think. Are our kids healthier? NO, they aren't.

      For irrefutable arguments, I recommend Neil Z. Millers book, the Vaccine Handbook. There are also MANY personal accounts in there of people who had sever vaccine reactions.

      They used to say cigarettes were good for you too 😉 Honestly… If you can’t agree on this, I’d reconsider having a baby with this person. I can tell you from the experiences of a neurotic person(that’s me! lol) that I knew in my heart that if anything happened to my son that I did not believe in, I’d hate myself forever and blame myself for any little thing that ever occurred that could possibly be linked to it. That’s why I gave birth at home, and Ian has yet to be touched by a doctor(he’ll be 3 in August). I could never ever live with myself. It is too much of a burden to deal with while dealing with parenthood as well. If this is a point of contention between you both, I suggest you look for some families near you that you can meet with and meet their children and let your husband see people with OUT vaccines, and how they are perfectly fine, normal and healthy. This was a big turning point for my husband, as a friend of ours has 4 kids, all not vaccinated. A little real-life conversation can go further then the printed word. If your husband needs a book or paper to think something is real, I’d re-asses things with him. Kids do not work by books, particularly not newborns 🙂 The best parents are instinctual, AKA attachment parents. It is your instincts that you do not want your future child to be vaccinated. Follow that instinct, and don’t let anyone lead you astray. You can’t regret what doesn’t occur. Peer reviews are not what you want to base your children’s future. Here is a cast of articles on the fraud of peer reviews now-a-days: http://allianceforpatientsafety.org/rprpusa.php Even many medical studies these days are bought and paid for. Trust in your instincts. They’re the only thing not sponsored by glaxo-smithkilne.

      I apologize for not providing what you asked for, but I have time constraints, and a 2.5 year old climbing on my head… I’d tell you to google vaccine recalls as well. There are several a year. You do NOT want to have a baby, and then find out a week/month later that the shot you just got was recalled. For instance, take a look here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=October+2007+vaccine+recall&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
      There were many stories about recalled vaccines near the end of ’07, the year my son was born. Had we not made the decision we did, our son could have received any one of them.

      Well, I’ve rambled, and Ian is actually standing on my lap right now, so I’m off to wrangle the boy-o 🙂 I’m going to email-this to you as well, so I can keep your email address and send things to you that might fit into your husband’s desired criteria. Hopefully this was at the very least thought provoking! 🙂

      Thanks again for reading,

      Hollie

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